Former Vice President Mike Pence spoke about his role during the unrest at the Capitol, helped change the election, and argued on behalf of Ukraine in an interview Friday with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
The former vice president, governor of Indiana, and congressman sat down with Carlson in Des Moines, Iowa, at the Family Leadership conference, where he and other Republican presidential candidates gathered on Friday. The event has a strong Christian and religious interest in the cultural implications.
Pence, 64, was announced in June that he is running for the Republican presidential nomination in the primary elections.
Carlson asked Pence what he thought about what happened at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, when the vice president was in charge of the Electoral College results certificates, and whether he thought it was “rebellious.”
“What I do know, I was in the Capitol, is that it was a sad day,” Pence said. “I haven’t used the word ‘Tucker’ in the last two years. It was a riot at the Capitol that day.”
‘In Danger’ on January 6
Pence said he believes that-President Donald Trump the word at the first ceremony of the day was “careless.”
“Whatever his intentions were at the time, he put me, my family, and everybody in the Capitol that day,” Pence told Carlson.
After saying he was opposed to the violence that occurred on January 6, 2021, Carlson pressed Pence on why the concerns raised by the protests that Joe Biden won over Trump’s election on Nov. The previous 3 were not answered.
Carlson pointed directly to the integrity of the election process.
“Why is no one trying to convince people that voting systems are legitimate?” Carlson asked.
Pence responded that “there were mistakes in the 2020 election, there’s no question.”
The former vice president said “there are about half of the countries that have changed their election laws, in the name of COVID, and that has undermined public confidence in the results of our elections.”
In the end, that led to multiple lawsuits and backlash in other states, Pence said, but it “didn’t change the outcome of the election in any way.”
Pence asserted that “my work was recognized that day,” referring to his efforts at a congressional hearing to ensure that Biden won the Electoral College and the popular vote.
“I did not have the right to overturn the elections. Leadership is for the American people, and only for the American people,” Pence said. “And [Vice President] Kamala Harris will not have the right to overturn the election if we beat them in 2024.”
Pence also said that the House-appointed committee that investigated the incident on January 6, 2021, was a “partisan committee”. He said his seven Democrats and two Republicans spent so much time trying to blame Trump for the riots that they jumped “to looking at the failures that happened that day and the failures of intelligence that happened that day.”
Carlson did some research to find out what Pence could do to change the American election.
He asked whether a country that uses electronic voting systems can conduct reliable elections, considering that votes can be tampered with.
“I hope we can, but I welcome the fact that starting in 2020, Republican-led states around the country will implement changes in the election process,” Pence said. “I’m someone who believes, and Indiana was the first state to do this … that you have to have a photo ID when you go to vote. We must have a voter ID in every state. “
In the past, Mr. Pence has expressed his support other electoral reforms.
Carlson later asked if the country would just get rid of electronic voting machines.
“I would be open to that,” Pence replied.
Religious Freedom and the Russia-Ukraine War
Carlson later turned his attention to foreign policy, particularly the Russia-Ukraine war, which has seen heavy U.S. involvement in the provision of weapons, ammunition, and other aid.
Pence recently visited Ukraine, where he met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other leaders.
Carlson began by asking Pence about the Ukrainian government’s treatment of Christians:
I wonder if at that meeting, as a well-known Christian leader, which you are, in addition to your political views, you ever spoke about his behavior, [Zelenskyy’s] support of Christians in Ukraine.
Zelenskyy’s government has attacked convents, arrested priests, banned religion, the Christian religion—the Ukrainian Orthodox Church—in Ukraine, persecuted Christians. And I wonder if you developed it with him.
Pence replied that he had indeed reported the matter to Zelenskyy and the leader of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine.
The vice president said that the latter assured him that Zelenskyy respected religious freedom, “even though he knew that there were small groups of the Russian Orthodox Church that were used to advance Russia’s work in Ukraine and that he respected religious freedom.” took action to answer them.”
Carlson said that some Orthodox religious leaders were arrested in Ukraine.
“You can’t arrest religious leaders for having different views, period,” Carlson said. “Because if you do, you violate religious freedom.”
Pence responded that he “will not stand by” if Ukrainians are persecuted for their beliefs.
American interest in Ukraine
Carlson and Pence concluded their talks by discussing US interests in Ukraine and the justification of American aid after Russia’s takeover in February 2022.
Pence said the US is interested in the war because if the Russian military invades Ukraine, it will soon occupy the borders of the neighboring NATO countries that the American military must protect.
He said that his son is a pilot.
“I’ll tell you, I don’t want to see American troops in Ukraine,” Pence said. “I want to give the Ukrainian military what it needs to fight and repel the Russian invasion.”
Pence followed up by saying he didn’t believe the Biden administration would do a good job helping Ukraine in its war. While Pence was saying this, Carlson intervened.
“You’re upset that the Ukrainians don’t have enough American tanks?” he asked. “Every city in the United States has gotten worse in the last three years…yet your concern is that the people of Ukraine, a country that most people don’t find on the map, don’t have enough tanks. I think that’s the right question to ask: Where is the concern of the United States?” “
Pence replied: “That’s not my concern.” “I want to be the president of the United States because I think this country is in serious trouble.”
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