Elon Musk’s Private Texts With Joe Rogan, Jack Dorsey, and More


Billionaire Elon Musk walks on stage during a T-Mobile and SpaceX joint event on August 25, 2022 in Boca Chica Beach, Texas.

Billionaire Elon Musk walks on stage during a T-Mobile and SpaceX joint event on August 25, 2022 in Boca Chica Beach, Texas.
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Elon Musk’s private texts were included in new court filings on Thursday as part of the lawsuit brought by Twitter to make the billionaire buy the social media company. And whatever you think of Musk’s weird attempt to back out of the deal to buy Twitter for $44 billion, the texts provide a fascinating behind-the-scenes glimpse at 21st century dealmaking in the tech sector.

The texts, which were first published online by New York Times reporter Kate Conger, include exchanges Musk had with podcaster Joe Rogan, Twitter cofounder Jack Dorsey, tech investor Jason Calacanis, and Oracle founder Larry Ellison, among plenty of others.

Some of the texts are just friendly jokes, like when investment banker Michael Grimes texted Musk a YouTube link to the Lynyrd Skynrd song “Free Bird.” But other texts will have serious consequences for Musk’s case, like when Elon texts his brother on April 9, 2022 about an idea to create a new social media app on a blockchain after already agreeing to join the Twitter board. Just two days later, it became public that Elon didn’t want to be on the board anymore.

If nothing else, it’s interesting to see Musk ask fellow billionaire Larry Ellison if he’s interested in helping take Twitter private, with Ellison offering up $1 billion like it’s the spare change he’d find in his cushions to make a run for some snacks at 7-11. Musk replies that Ellison should invest $2 billion.

We’ve selected some of the most interesting texts included in the court filing below, but if you want to read them all they’re available here. While there are plenty of blacked out redactions for things you’d expect, like addresses and other identifying information, there are some curious redactions of entire names where it’s not clear who’s communicating with Musk.

We’ve done our best to compile the text conversations to make sure they’re easy to read but there are times when Musk is texting with two people at the same time. An instance where that might matter is the text exchanges between Elon and his brother Kimbal as well as Elon and Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal on April 9, 2022. Elon was both texting his brother about starting a new social media company while also texting with Agrawal about not wanting to serve on the board anymore.

Gizmodo has also embedded screenshots of tweets that only appear as URLs in the court filings.

Antonio Gracias, former director of Tesla (left) and Elon Musk

Antonio Gracias, former director of Tesla (left) and Elon Musk
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March 5, 2022

Elon Musk:

EU passed a law banning Russia Today and several other Russian news sources. We have been told to block their IP address.

Actually, I find their news quite entertaining

Lot of bullshit, but some good points too

Antonio Gracias, Director of Tesla (2007-2021):

This is fucking nuts…you are totally right. 100% agree with you.

We should allow it precisely be we hate it…that is the ping of the American constitution.

Elon Musk:

Exactly

Free speech matters most when it’s someone you hate spouting what you think is bullshit.

Antonio Gracias:

I am 100% with you Elon. To the fucking mattresses no matter what….this is a principle we need to fucking defend with our lives or we are lost to the darkness.

Sorry for the swearing. I am getting excited.

Elon Musk:

Loved “I am 100% with you Elon. To the fucking mattresses no matter what this is a principle we need to fucking defend with our lives or we are lost to the darkness.”


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March 24, 2022

TJ [affiliation unclear]:

Can you buy Twitter and then delete it, please!? xx

America is going INSANE.

The Babylon Bee got suspension is crazy. Raiyah and I were talking about it today. It was a fucking joke. Why has everyone become so puritanical?

Or can you buy Twitter and make it radically free-speech?

So much stupidity comes from Twitter xx

Elon Musk:

Maybe buy it and change it to properly support free speech xx


Jack Dorsey, cofounder of Twitter (left) and Elon Musk

Jack Dorsey, cofounder of Twitter (left) and Elon Musk
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March 26, 2022

Jack Dorsey, cofounder of Twitter:

Yes, a new platform is needed. It can’t be a company. This is why I left.

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Elon Musk:

Ok

What should it look like?

Jack Dorsey:

I believe it must be an open source protocol, funded by a foundation of sorts that doesn’t own the protocol, only advances it. A bit like what Signal has done. It can’t have an advertising model. Otherwise you have surface area that governments and advertisers will try to influence and control. If it has a centralized entity behind it, it will be attacked. This isn’t complicated work, it just has to be done right so it’s resilient to what has happened to twitter.

Elon Musk:

Super interesting idea

Jack Dorsey:

I’m off the twitter board mid May and then completely out of company. I intend to do this work and fix our mistakes. Twitter started as a protocol. It should have never been a company. That was the original sin.

Elon Musk:

I’d like to help if I am able to

Jack Dorsey:

I wanted to talk with you about it after I was all clear, because you care so much, get it’s importance, and could def help in immeasurable ways. Back when we had the activist come in, I tried my hardest to get you on our board, and our board said no. That’s about the time I decided I needed to work to leave, as hard as it was for me.

Elon Musk:

Loved “I wanted to talk with you about it after I was all clear, because you care so much, get it’s importance, and could def help in immeasurable ways. Back when we had the activist come in, I tried my hardest to get you on our board, and our board said no. That’s about the time I decided I needed to work to leave, as hard as it was for me.”

Do you have a moment to talk?

Jack Dorsey:

Bout to head out to dinner but can for a minute

[roughly 13 minutes later]

Jack Dorsey:

I think the main reason is the board is just super risk averse and saw adding you as more risk, which I thought was completely stupid and backwards, but I only had one vote, and 3% of company, and no dual class shares. Hard set up. We can discuss more.

Elon Musk:

Let’s definitely discuss more

I think its worth both trying to move Twitter in a better direction and doing something new that’s decentralized

Jack Dorsey:

It’s likely the best option. I just have doubts. But open

Elon Musk:

Liked “It’s likely the best option. I just have doubts. But open”


Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Axel Springer media group (left) and Elon Musk

Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Axel Springer media group (left) and Elon Musk
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March 30, 2022

Mathias Döpfner, CEO of Axel Springer media group, which owns Politico and Protocol:

Why don’t you buy Twitter? We run it for you. And establish a true platform of free speech. Would be a real contribution to democracy.

Elon Musk:

Interesting idea

Mathias Döpfner:

I’m serious. It’s doable. Will be fun.


Joe Lonsdale, cofounder of Palantir, at TechCrunch Disrupt NY 2013.

Joe Lonsdale, cofounder of Palantir, at TechCrunch Disrupt NY 2013.
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April 4, 2022

Joe Lonsdale, cofounder of Palantir:

Excited to see the stake in Twitter – awesome. “Back door man” they are saying ha ha. Hope you’re able to influence it. I bet you the board doesn’t even get full reporting or see any report of the censorship decisions and little cabals going on there but they should – the lefties on the board likely want plausible deniability!

Elon Musk:

Liked “Excited to see the stake in Twitter – awesome. ‘Back door man’ they are saying ha ha. Hope you’re able to influence it. I bet you the board doesn’t even get full reporting or see any report of the censorship decisions and little cabals going on there but they should – the lefties on the board likely want plausible deniability!”


The name of an unknown person communicating with Elon Musk, identified as “self” in court filings.

The name of an unknown person communicating with Elon Musk, identified as “self” in court filings.
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April 4, 2022

[Name full redacted]

Congratulations!! The above article was laying out some of the things that might happen: Step 1: Blame the platform for its users Step 2. Coordinated pressure campaign Step 3: Exodus of the Bluechecks Step 4: Deplatforming “But it will not be easy. It will be a war. Let the battle begin.”

It will be a delicate game of letting rightwingers back on Twitter and how to navigate that (especially the boss himself, if you’re up forthat) I would also lay out the standards early but have someone who has a savvy cultural/political view to be the VP of actual enforcement

A Blake Masters type


Comedian and podcaster Joe Rogan (left) and Elon Musk

Comedian and podcaster Joe Rogan (left) and Elon Musk
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April 4, 2022

Joe Rogan, podcaster:

Are you going to liberate Twitter from the censorship happy mob?

Elon Musk:

I will provide advice, which they may or may not choose to follow


Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal (left) and Elon Musk

Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal (left) and Elon Musk
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April 5, 2022

Parag Agrawal, CEO of Twitter:

I’m excited to share that we’re appointing @elonmuskto our board! Through conversations with Elon in recent weeks, it became clear to me that he would bring great value to our Board. Why? Above all else, he’s both a passionate believer and intense critic of the service which is exactly what we need on Twitter, and in the Boardroom, to make us stronger in the long-term. Welcome Elon!

Elon Musk:

Sounds good

Sending out shortly?

Parag Agrawal:

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Elon Musk:

Cool

Parag Agrawal:

Super excited!


Jack Dorsey, cofounder of Twitter (left) and Elon Musk

Jack Dorsey, cofounder of Twitter (left) and Elon Musk
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April 5, 2022

Jack Dorsey:

Thank you for joining!

Elon Musk:

Absolutely. Hope I can be helpful

Jack Dorsey:

Immensely. Parag is an incredible engineer. The board is terrible. Always here to talk through anything you want.

Elon Musk:

When is a good time to talk confidentially?

Jack Dorsey:

anytime

[roughly 1.5 hours pass]

Elon Musk:

Thanks, great conversation!

Jack Dorsey:

Always! I couldn’t be happier you’re doing this. I’ve wanted it for a long time. Got very emotional when I learned it was finally possible.

Elon Musk:

Loved “Always! I couldn’t be happier you’re doing this. I’ve wanted it for a long time. Got very emotional when I learned it was finally possible.”

Please be super vocal if there is something dumb I’m doing or not doing. That would be greatly appreciated.

Jack Dorsey:

I trust you but def will do


Kimbal Musk (left) and Elon Musk

Kimbal Musk (left) and Elon Musk
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April 9, 2022

Elon Musk:

I have an idea for a blockchain social media system that does both payments and short text messages/links like twitter. You have to pay a tiny amount to register your message on the chain, which will cut out the vast majority of spam and bots. There is no throat to choke, so free speech is guaranteed.

The second piece of the puzzle is a massive real-time database that keeps a copy of all blockchain messages in memory, as well as all message sent to or received by you, your followers and those you follow.

Third piece is a twitter-like app on your phone that accessed the database in the cloud.

This could be massive

Kimbal Musk, Elon’s brother:

I’d love to learn more. I’ve dug deep on Web3 (not crytpo as much) and the voting powers are amazing and verified. Lots you could do here for this as well

Elon Musk:

I think a new social media company is needed that is based on a blockchain and includes payments

Kimbal Musk:

Would have them pay w a token associated w the service? You’d have to hold the token in your wallet to post. Doesn’t have to expensive it will grow overtime in value

If you did use your own token, you would not needs advertising it’s a pay for use service but at a very low price

With scale it will be a huge business purely for the benefit of the users. I hate advertisements

Elon Musk:

Liked “With scale it will be a huge business purely for the benefit of the users. I hate advertisement”

Kimbal Musk:

There are some good ads out there. The voting component of interested users (only vote if you want to) could vote on ads that add value. The advertisers would have to stake a much larger amount of tokens, but other than there is no charge for the ads. It will bring out the creatives and the ads can politically incorrect/art/activision/philanthropy

Voting rights could also crowdsource kicking scammers out. It drives me crazy when I see people promoting the scam that you’re giving away Bitcoin. Lots of bad people out there


Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal (left) and Elon Musk

Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal (left) and Elon Musk
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April 9, 2022

Prag Agrawal, Twitter CEO:

You are free to tweet “is Twitter dying?” or anything else a bout Twitter – but it’s my responsibility to tell you that it’s not helping me make Twitter better in the current context. Next time we speak, I’d like to you provide you perspective on the level of internal distraction right now and how it hurting our ability to do work. I hope the AMA will help people get to know you, to understand why you believe in Twitter, and to trust you – and I’d like the company to get to a place where we are more resilient and don’t get distracted, but we aren’t there right now.

Elon Musk:

What did you get done this week?

I’m not joining the board. This is a waste of time.

Will make an offer to take Twitter private.

Prag Agrawal

Can we talk?


Bret Taylor, chair of Twitter’s board of directors (left) and Elon Musk

Bret Taylor, chair of Twitter’s board of directors (left) and Elon Musk
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April 9, 2022

Bret Taylor, co-CEO of Salesforce and chair of Twitter’s board of directors:

Parag just called me and mentioned your text conversation. Can you talk?

Elon Musk:

Please expect a take private offer

Bret Taylor:

I saw the text thread. Do you have five minutes so I can understand the context? I don’t currently

Elon Musk:

Fixing twitter by chatting with Parag won’t work

Drastic action is needed

This is hard to do as a public company, as purging fake users will make the numbers look terrible, so restructuring should be done as a private company.

This is Jack’s opinion too.

Bret Taylor:

Can you take 10 minutes to talk this through with me? It has been about 24 hours since you joined the board. I get your point, but just want to understand about the sudden pivot and make sure I deeply understand your point of view and the path forward

Elon Musk:

I’m about to take off, but can talk tomorrow

Bret Taylor:

Thank you


Jason Calacanis, tech investor and podcaster (left) and Elon Musk

Jason Calacanis, tech investor and podcaster (left) and Elon Musk
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April 14, 2022

Jason Calacanis, tech investor and podcaster:

You should raise your offer

$54.21

The perfect counter

You could easily clean up bots and spam and make the service viable for many more users —Removing bots and spam is a lot less complicated than what the Tesla self driving team is doing (based on hearing the last edge case meeting)

And why should blue check marks be limited to the elite, press and celebrities? How is that democratic?

The Kingdom would like a word…

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Back of the envelope… Twitter revenue per employee: $5B rev / 8k employees = $625K rev per employee in 2021 Google revenue per employee: $257B rev / 135K employee = $1.9M per employee in 2021 Apple revenue per employee: $3658 rev/ 154k employees = $2.37M per employee in fiscal 2021

Twitter revenue per employee if 3 k instead of 8k: $58 rev / 3k employees = $1.66m rev per employee in 2021 (more industry standard)

Elon Musk:

Emphasized “Back of the envelope… Twitter revenue per employee: $5B rev / 8k employees = $625K rev per employee in 2021 Google revenue per employee: $2578 rev / 135K employee = $1.9M per employee in 2021 Apple revenue per employee: $365B rev/ 154k employees $2.37M per employee in fiscal 2021″

Insane potential for improvement

Jason Calacanis:

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Day zero

Sharpen your blades boys

2 day a week Office requirement20% voluntary departures

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I mean, the product road map is beyond obviously

Premium feature abound- and twitter blue has exactly zero

What committee came up with the list of dog shit features in Blue?!? It’s worth paying to turn it off!

Elon Musk:

Yeah, what an insane piece of shit!

Jason Calacanis:

Maybe we don’t talk twitter on twitter DM [laughing emoji]

Elon Musk:

Was just thinking that haha

Nothing said there so far is anything different from what I said publicly.

Btw, Parag is still on a ten day vacation in Hawaii

Jason Calacanis:

No reason to cut it short… in your first tour as ceo

(!!!)

Shouldn’t he be in a war room right now?!?

Elon Musk:

Does doing occasional zoom calls while drinking fruity cocktails at the Four Seasons count?

Jason Calacanis:

[thinking emoji]


Joe Lonsdale, cofounder of Palantir, at TechCrunch Disrupt NY 2013.

Joe Lonsdale, cofounder of Palantir, at TechCrunch Disrupt NY 2013.
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April 16, 2022

Joe Lonsdale:

Haha even Governor DeSantis just called me now with ideas how to help you and outraged at that board and saying the public is rooting for you. Let me know if you or somebody on your side wants to chat w him. Would be fun to see you if you guys are around this weekend or the next few days.

Elon Musk:

Haha cool


Larry Ellison, founder of Oracle (left) and Elon Musk

Larry Ellison, founder of Oracle (left) and Elon Musk
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April 20, 2022

Elon Musk:

Any interest in participating in the Twitter deal?

Larry Ellison, founder of Oracle:

Yes…of course [thumbs up emoji]

Elon Musk:

Roughly what dollar size? Not holding you to anything, but the deal is oversubscribed, so I have to reduce or kick out some participants.

Larry Ellison:

A billion…or whatever you recommend

Elon Musk:

Whatever works for you. I’d recommend maybe $2B or more. This has very high potential and I’d rather have you than anyone else

Larry Ellison:

I agree that it has huge potential… and it would be lots of fun

Elon Musk:

Absolutely 🙂


Comedian and podcaster Joe Rogan (left) and Elon Musk

Comedian and podcaster Joe Rogan (left) and Elon Musk
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April 23, 2022

Joe Rogan:

I REALLY hope you get Twitter. If you do, we should throw a hell of a party.

Elon Musk:

[100 emoji]


Jason Calacanis, tech investor and podcaster (left) and Elon Musk

Jason Calacanis, tech investor and podcaster (left) and Elon Musk
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April 23, 2022

Jason Calacanis, tech investor and podcaster:

It feels like everyone wants the same exact thing, and they will be patient and understanding of any changes… Twitter Stans area reasonable, good faith bunch

These dipshits spent a years on twitter blue to give people exactly— Nothing they want!

Splitting revenue with video creators tike YouTube could be huge unlock

We could literally give video creators 100% of their ad revenue up to $lm then do split

Elon Musk:

Absolutely

Jason Calacanis:

5 Teams: 5 Northstar metrics 1. Legacy Opps: uptime, speed 2. Membership team: remove bots while getting users to pay for “Real Name Memberships” $5 a month $50 a year. Includes 24 hours response to customer service 3. Payments: % of users that have connected a bank account/made a deposit 4. Creator Team:get creators to publish to twitter first (musicians, YouTubers, tiktokers, etc) by giving them the best % split in the industry (and promotion) 5. Transparency Team: make the Algorithm & Moderation understandable and fair

I think those are the 5 critical pieces… everyone agrees to “year one” sprint, including coming back to offices within the first 60 days (unless given special dispensation for extraordinary contribution)

Hard Reboot the organization

Feels like no one is setting priorities ruthlessly… 12,000 working on whatever they want? No projects being cancelled?!

Move HQ to Austin, rent gigafactory excess space

Elon Musk:

Want to be a strategic advisor if this works out?

Jason Calacanis:

100%

Board member, advisor, whatever… you have my sword

Elon Musk:

Loved “Board member, advisor, whatever… you have my sword”

Jason Calacanis:

If 2, 3 or 4 unlock they are each 250b+ markets

Payments is $250-500b, YouTube/creators is $250b+

Membership no one has tried really…. So hard to estimate. 1-5m paid members maybe @ $50-100 a year? 250k corporate memberships @ 10k a year?

Elon Musk:

You are a mind reader

Jason Calacanis:

Put me in the game coach!

[laughing emoji]

Twitter CEO is my dream job




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